1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,000 Good evening everybody, Coast to Coast. This is Douglas Edwards. 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:15,000 Tonight, Armstrong Circle Theater goes after a most unusual story, the riddle of the flying 3 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:21,000 saucers. We will depart from our usual format and instead of dramatizing an adventure, we 4 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:29,000 ask you to participate in a controversy. Are UFO unidentified flying objects real or imagined? 5 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:36,000 Now if these so-called flying saucers are real, where do they come from? Are they secret weapons 6 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:44,000 being tested by our own or foreign governments? Or are they, as many believe, spacecraft from other 7 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:50,000 planets, invading our atmosphere, actually observing life on Earth? Tonight, we're going after 8 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:55,000 this story, we're going to the government files and to experts on all sides of the issue. 9 00:00:55,000 --> 00:01:02,000 We're going after facts. In just a few moments, UFO, the enigma of the skies on the Armstrong 10 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,000 Circle Theater. 11 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:36,000 Today, we stand on the threshold of outer space. Is space the emptiness we've long believed? 12 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:43,000 It may not be. For life, intelligent life, may already exist somewhere out in the unmeasurable 13 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:50,000 vastness of space. In a universe containing billions of planets, millions of galaxies, 14 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:56,000 by the simple law of chance, there must be planets enough like our own to sustain life. 15 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:03,000 Actually, some authorities have gone so far as to offer evidence that such life does exist. 16 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:09,000 Here's an example of the evidence they offer. This is the planet Mars with its mysterious 17 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:16,000 canali, the lines crisscrossing its surface. Forty years ago, first of all Lowell, a distinguished 18 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:22,000 American astronomer stated that the canali are evidence of intelligent life on Mars. 19 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:28,000 He said Mars was a dying planet from lack of water and the lines were actually irrigation 20 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:34,000 canals that the Martians had dug to bring water from the melting polar ice caps into their 21 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:42,000 parts' planet. Let's look at another example. This is the moon, our nearest neighbor in space, 22 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:49,000 and the only one our powerful telescopes can carefully survey. For years, astronomers 23 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:56,000 have been mapping its surface. Some have seen strange things indeed. Here, for example, is 24 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:02,000 a rough sketch that was supposed to show streets and avenues in a region of the moon known as 25 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:09,000 Schroeder's Valley. In 1953, a report was made that a gigantic bridge now stretches across 26 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:15,000 the region of the moon known as the Marais-Cresium. Scientists charted this region many years ago 27 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:21,000 and no such bridge was in evidence then. If it's a natural object, why wasn't it seen before? 28 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:28,000 If it's not a natural object, then what can it be? There are those who claim that its construction 29 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:34,000 proves the existence of intelligence on the moon, not necessarily moon people but beings 30 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:40,000 from outer space who are using the moon as a space station for their observation of Earth. 31 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:47,000 How can we find out about this? Where do we start? Well, we start with background, with history. 32 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:53,000 Unidentified flying objects are nothing new. The Bible gives us a report of a sighting by 33 00:03:53,000 --> 00:04:00,000 the prophet Ezekiel, a sign in the heavens, large, brilliantly colored in the shape of 34 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:12,000 a wheel within a wheel. 1554, a mysterious object flashed across the sky near Saint-Saint-Charles-Mont-France. 35 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:23,000 In 1709, a flock of strange phenomena invaded the skies over Europe. 36 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:33,000 Today, science explains most of these ancient sightings in terms of natural phenomena, meteors, 37 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:41,000 shooting stars, comets, or unusual auroral displays. But not too easily explained are some occurrences 38 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:50,000 of not too long ago. November 23rd, 1896, Oakland, California. A mysterious object appeared in the sky. 39 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:56,000 A strange cigar-shaped object reportedly witnessed by thousands sailed eastward. 40 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:04,000 Moving slowly, gathering headlines, the UFO was reported from Salt Lake City, Denver, Omaha, 41 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:10,000 and finally Chicago, where it sailed off the front page into the unknown. 42 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:16,000 The first few decades of the 20th century brought few sightings, possibly because the flying saucers 43 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:22,000 took a dim view of this newly invented earthly airplane suddenly trespassing their private 44 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:30,000 nobain. But in 1947, year two of the atomic age of the real UFO story began. It began here, 45 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:37,000 the Pacific Northwest, one June morning, 10 years ago, in the vicinity of Mount Rainier, 46 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:43,000 a C-46 Marine transport plane crashed. Among the volunteer civilians who aided the military 47 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:48,000 searchers was a veteran mountain pilot who had logged thousands of hours of flying in the area. 48 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:55,000 What he saw and reported made international news. Here now is Earth Tunic, a man who over the past 49 00:05:55,000 --> 00:06:01,000 months has literally spent hundreds of hours reading the massive material printed on the subject, 50 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:08,000 interviewing the people involved. Earth, what was seen near Mount Rainier on that memorable afternoon? 51 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:13,000 Well, to begin with, Doug, though it's popularly thought that the Mount Rainier incident represents 52 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:19,000 the opening of the current phase of flying saucer history, that's not quite right. 53 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:25,000 The fact is that during World War II, a number of military pilots reported rather strange, 54 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:31,000 rather than objects mysteriously circled or paced their planes in flight. 55 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:37,000 Now, Air Force Intelligence investigated these reports. That's on the record. However, the incident 56 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:42,000 that did trigger the current interest in UFO was the Mount Rainier occurrence. 57 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:47,000 With Wilder Mountain pilot was searching for the crash marine transport, that he noticed 58 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:53,000 the terrific blue flash reflect from his airplane. The pilot noticed that the flash came from a chain 59 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:58,000 of rather peculiar looking objects that were approaching Mount Rainier, flying at course 60 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:06,000 at about 170 degrees. Now, he assumed at the time that they were a formation of some new type of jet, 61 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:11,000 but it rather baffled him because they just didn't seem to have any tail. 62 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:18,000 And he judged their wingspan to be about, oh, 120 feet across. The pilot watched them for several minutes. 63 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:24,000 They were traveling from north to south and flying in a rather reversed echelon formation. 64 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,000 And as they flew, they weaved in and out between the mountain peaks. 65 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:33,000 They had kind of a skipping motion as they sailed along, and after the sighting, 66 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:38,000 the pilot landed and reported the incident to the local representative of the CAA, 67 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:43,000 the Civil Aeronautics Administration. The pilot didn't make too much of the incident. 68 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:48,000 He thought they were just a new type of jet. Described them as fluttering, and well, 69 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:52,000 he said they flew like you, took a saucer and skimmed it across the water. 70 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:57,000 And some newspapers printed a rather gobble version of this, and they quoted him as saying 71 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:03,000 that they looked like saucers when he said that they flew in a saucer like fashion. 72 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:09,000 And that was rather an historic misquote, because that's how the name Flying Saucers came to be. 73 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:16,000 Now, our air forces investigated at the time, and they said no air force or naval aircraft were flying 74 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:23,000 in the vicinity of Mount Vrigny on that day. The possibility of foreign aircraft being present was just not believable. 75 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:30,000 So the only conclusion that the pilot could come to was that they must be of extraterrestrial origin 76 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,000 from another world, another planet. 77 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:39,000 This Mount Vrigny sighting might have been quickly forgotten, except that within the next 30 days, 78 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:46,000 there were 53 more reports of so-called flying saucers, but making allowances for illusion, 79 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:54,000 delusion, hoax, and hallucination, there remained enough incredible reports by credible observers 80 00:08:54,000 --> 00:09:00,000 to set people thinking. They came from every section of the country, San Fernando, California, 81 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:07,000 Boulder, Colorado, Washington, D.C., Greenwich Point, Long Island. 82 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:14,000 And if anyone was less than serious about flying saucers, the tragic Mantell incident that Godman field, 83 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:18,000 Fort Knox, Kentucky, gave them real cause to reflect. 84 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:26,000 On January 7, 1948, early in the afternoon, Kentucky State Police reported an unidentified flying object, 85 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:30,000 circular in appearance, moving westward at a good cliff. 86 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,000 The UFO was also sighted by the commanding officer of Godman Field. 87 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:40,000 The control tower at the field checked and found no experimental aircraft in the neighborhood. 88 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:47,000 Just at this time, a flight of F-51s under the command of Captain Thomas Mantell, 89 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:55,000 a veteran combat pilot, neared the field and was immediately vectored in on a strange, spherical shaped object. 90 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:59,000 What happened then depends upon what version you read. 91 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:05,000 There were seven witnesses in Godman Tower, and there are accounts differ in many details, but this is sure. 92 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:09,000 Captain Mantell, by radio, reported sighting the object above him. 93 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:14,000 He said it was a metallic thing in a tremendous size. 94 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:18,000 Mantell's plane was not equipped with oxygen, and yet he headed upward. 95 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,000 By 15,000 feet, his wingman had broken off. 96 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:28,000 Mantell was in a maximum climb at 22,500, his plane under perfect control. 97 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,000 Well, from this point on, there's nothing but mystery. 98 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:36,000 The transmission was garbled and attempts to contact Mantell went unanswered. 99 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:41,000 Mantell's plane began to level off at 30,000 feet, began a gradual turn to the left, 100 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:46,000 and then it nose downward, and at full power began to dive. 101 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:51,000 Between 10,000 and 20,000 feet, the plane literally tore apart. 102 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:57,000 Mantell was killed. Parts of his plane were found more than half a mile from the wreckage. 103 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:01,000 And are there questions that must be answered about this tragic incident? 104 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:07,000 Why did an experienced pilot like Mantell break one of the cardinal rules of flying, 105 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,000 never go above 10,000 feet without oxygen? 106 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:15,000 What did he see that forced him to throw caution to the winds? 107 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:20,000 After the Mantell crash, UFO reports continued to pile in. 108 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:26,000 During January and February of 1948, the sightings took on an international flavor. 109 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:33,000 Falls of fire traveling slowly across the sky were reported from Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Germany, 110 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:37,000 then Southern Europe chimed in, and then South America. 111 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:45,000 On July 21, a report came in from Holland of a UFO, rocket-shaped, with two rows of windows along the sides. 112 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:50,000 This might have been forgotten fast, except for what happened just one week later. 113 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:57,000 On July 24, 1948, a commercial airliner flying from Houston, Texas to Atlanta, 114 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:06,000 was 20 miles southwest of Montgomery, Alabama, at the controls Clarence S. Chiles and his co-pilot John B. Whithid. 115 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:12,000 At 2.45 in the morning, these veteran flyers saw light dead ahead and closing in fast, 116 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:16,000 traveling at a speed estimated between 500 and 700 miles an hour. 117 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,000 The light bore in on them. The rocket-shaped object was brilliantly lighted, 118 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:24,000 and it appeared to have two rows of windows underneath. 119 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,000 From the belly of the ship, there was a sort of a blue fluorescent glow. 120 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:34,000 As they watched, fascinated, the object flashed by about 700 feet to their right. 121 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:38,000 On landing, Chiles and Whithid reported the incident to the proper authorities, 122 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:42,000 and then each drew a sketch of what he'd seen. 123 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,000 This is the child sketch. 124 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:54,000 Double windows in size about twice the diameter of a B29. 125 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,000 And this is the sketch drawn by a co-pilot, Whithid. 126 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:09,000 The same general shape with double row of windows, or what appear to be windows, no wings. 127 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,000 What was it? 128 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:17,000 To this day, according to the two pilots involved, no logical explanation offered by scientists, 129 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,000 by experts, fits the bill. 130 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:25,000 People may argue about what they saw, but they can't deny that they saw something. 131 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:29,000 Something that these men, with thousands of hours of flying experience, 132 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:33,000 had never seen before and haven't seen since. 133 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:38,000 Well, is there an explanation, a reasonable, natural explanation 134 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:44,000 for the mysterious objects seen by so many credible observers over the past ten years? 135 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,000 For this? 136 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,000 Or this? 137 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:54,000 To get the official Air Force point of view, we're going directly to the source, 138 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,000 directly to the Air Force files that have been thrown open to us. 139 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:04,000 Can every sighting be reasonably explained, or must we accept the proposition, the fact, 140 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:08,000 that at least some of these objects originate in outer space, 141 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:13,000 and that our Earth is now being observed by creatures from another world? 142 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:18,000 Fairly a day passes by that sightings of flying saucers are reported. 143 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:23,000 People are seeing something. Something is there. 144 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:31,000 An employee of a supersonic laboratory saw a thick, ruddered object shaped like this. 145 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:36,000 Two airline pilots spotted a round object with portholes and planks, 146 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:43,000 two airline pilots spotted a round object with portholes and flashing lights. 147 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:52,000 A group of college professors in Lubbock, Texas saw these lights moving across the sky. 148 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:58,000 Authorities have been accused of dropping a paper curtain on this problem, 149 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:02,000 issuing statements hiding the true facts from the public. 150 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,000 What are the facts? 151 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,000 Here's the evidence. Where do we go for our story? 152 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:13,000 Right Patterson Air Force Base, Dayton, Ohio, location of the Air Technical Intelligence Center, 153 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:17,000 Air Force collecting point for all UFO sighting reports. 154 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:22,000 The outfit chart with the responsibility of analyzing all flying saucer data. 155 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:28,000 Project Lubbock, since January 1953, the investigation work of Project Lubbock 156 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:34,000 has had the services of the 42nd-oh-second Air Intelligence Service Squadron, Air Defense Command, 157 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:39,000 that's a highly trained field investigation outfit, with field units scattered around the country, 158 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:46,000 so deployed that they can arrive on the spot almost immediately after a sighting is reported to them. 159 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:51,000 Over 6,000 reported flying saucer sightings since 1947, 160 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:56,000 each sighting, investigative and analyzed by specialists in top-notch military 161 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:01,000 and non-military scientific personnel at Wright-Patterson. 162 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:05,000 We get the full promise, the full cooperation from the Air Force, 163 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:09,000 and to explain how the Air Force reaches certain conclusions on certain sightings, 164 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:14,000 the Air Force has detailed to us Lieutenant Colonel Spencer Whedon, 165 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:19,000 Chief of the Air Intelligence Office, Air Technical Intelligence Center. 166 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:26,000 He will explain these files, many of which were hitherto classified, but now thrown open to us. 167 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:33,000 This, for instance, is the complete file on the Mantell case, the tragic incident we talked about earlier. 168 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:39,000 Originally it was reported that Mantell might have mistaken the planet Venus for a UFO 169 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:43,000 flown too high, blacked out and crashed. 170 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:47,000 Colonel, I understand the Air Force no longer holds to that opinion. 171 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:54,000 No, we don't, Mr. Edwards. We still believe that he blacked out from lack of oxygen and crashed, 172 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:59,000 and this is supported by findings of the Air Force accident investigators, 173 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,000 an outfit completely independent of Project Blue Book. 174 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:08,000 But we are now sure that this is what he was chasing, a skyhook balloon, 175 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:14,000 a giant 100-foot balloon used to gather information about the upper air, 176 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:19,000 cosmic radiation, wind flow, temperature. 177 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:24,000 In 1948, these were top secret, you knew about them. 178 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:32,000 Later, the investigation revealed that in January 1948, that is the time of the Mantell crash, 179 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:40,000 these skyhook balloons were being launched from Clinton County Air Force Base in Southern Ohio. 180 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:48,000 We examined a weather map showing wind direction on 7 January 1948. 181 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,000 Starting here at Clinton County Air Force Base, 182 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:58,000 prevailing winds would have carried the balloon west for a while as it climbed. 183 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:08,000 At about 35,000 feet, the balloon would have entered the wind jet stream, flowing south. 184 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:13,000 It would have moved rapidly south, still climbing. 185 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:20,000 At a point south to southwest of gun Air Force Base here, 186 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:25,000 it would have climbed up out of the jet stream into a calm belt, 187 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:31,000 and from there it would have drifted very slowly south and southeast, 188 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,000 directly over the area where the UFO was spotted. 189 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:42,000 The Colonel, you believe it's possible for trained observers, pilots like Captain Mantell, 190 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,000 to see a balloon and not recognize it as such? 191 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:51,000 Certainly, Mr. Edwards, in a period when balloons of that size were rare, 192 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:56,000 a balloon can be sent into an almost horizontal position by strong wind currents. 193 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:03,000 During the day, a balloon can look like this, but visibility can play tricks. 194 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:08,000 The same balloon at twilight or dawn can look like this. 195 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,000 Angle of vision is important. 196 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,000 Now this sighting, reported over Minneapolis, 197 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:21,000 photographed with the gun camera of an F-86 fighter, also turned out to be a balloon. 198 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,000 And here's another. 199 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:30,000 A balloon launched in Japan was tracked by government facilities all the way across the Pacific. 200 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:35,000 It meandered all over the country before it finally sailed off into the Atlantic. 201 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:39,000 This resulted in literally dozens of UFO reports. 202 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,000 On that basis then, Colonel Wheaton, 203 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:46,000 some large percentage of flying saucer reports are actually nothing but balloons, right? 204 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,000 Oh, right, Mr. Edwards. 205 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:54,000 They can show that balloons account for 26.4% of all recent UFO sightings. 206 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,000 Well, let's take another case. 207 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:03,000 Three objects observed, round shaped, steady white light, no trail or exhaust, 208 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,000 moving slowly southwest of Macon, Georgia. 209 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:12,000 Weather clear and visibility unlimited, photographs made and available. 210 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,000 No interception or identification action taken, 211 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:19,000 no air traffic in general area at time of sighting. 212 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,000 What about this case, Colonel? 213 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,000 Well, the first thing we did was to get a map. 214 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:29,000 Now, here's West Macon, Georgia. 215 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,000 And here's Fort Benning. 216 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:36,000 We immediately established that training operations were being conducted at Benning. 217 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:41,000 Part of the operation was the dropping of parachute flares from aircraft, 218 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,000 as well as jet support for our ground operations. 219 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:48,000 We obtained the photographs mentioned in the report. 220 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:54,000 Using a new photo analysis technique, we managed to get some surprising results. 221 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:59,000 The first slide showed little more than two brilliant dots, 222 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,000 with some indefinite green shading around them. 223 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:08,000 But on further enlargement, the wings and body of jets come into view. 224 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,000 The bright object is the flame from the jets after burn. 225 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:16,000 Oh, conventional aircraft often seem to be what they are not. 226 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:21,000 This is the plane flying at high speed in a fog-shrouded sky. 227 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:25,000 Speed causes a moisture condensation around the wings, 228 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:29,000 which gives the appearance of a disk or saucer. 229 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:35,000 Planes of unorthodox configuration, a swept wing or delta jobs. 230 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:43,000 Or this radar plane called the flying pancake, give rise to many UFO sightings. 231 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:52,000 Based on our latest reports, the cases where aircraft have been reported as UFOs account for 28.8%. 232 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:57,000 Another case now, spring 1957. 233 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:03,000 The commercial airliner flying between New York and Puerto Rico had an extraordinary experience. 234 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:10,000 Flying at 19,000 feet, it sighted a large bright object that appeared to be coming directly towards the liner. 235 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:15,000 It was described as a magnesium flash in color with a pale green tint. 236 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,000 The pilot had to swerve his plane violently to avoid collision. 237 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,000 What does the Air Force have to say about it, Colonel? 238 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:29,000 Well, a check of military positions in the area ruled out any unusual plane or missile activity. 239 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:35,000 However, the Civil Air Naughty Squad did report six other commercial flights, 240 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:39,000 over approximately the same area at the time of the sighting. 241 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,000 Five of the six planes reported similar sightings. 242 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:50,000 Flooding their positions on a map showed all the planes that sighted the same object. 243 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:56,000 The major clues we had to work on were the color, the trajectory, 244 00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:03,000 and the fact that three of the planes reported that the object seemed to split apart from the air. 245 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:10,000 This description coincides with the known features of what are called bow lights or fireballs. 246 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:17,000 Rather rare astronomical phenomena, but reported from time to time and especially from the southwest. 247 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,000 And so the Air Force attributes this sighting to a fireball, right? 248 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,000 Oh, it wasn't only our finding, Mr. Edwards. 249 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,000 We submitted all the data to a member of the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, 250 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,000 who confirmed our conclusions completely. 251 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:36,000 Do these astronomical phenomena play a large part in the UFO story? 252 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:43,000 Pretty large. The moon and the planets, observed through haze, light fog or moving clouds. 253 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,000 All these things can play optical tricks. 254 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:52,000 And then there are the rarest celestial sights, mirages, rural displays. 255 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:58,000 Or how about this, caused by an Air Force photographic mission over Richmond at the end, 256 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:02,000 and actually a subsun effect. 257 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:08,000 A rare aerial phenomenon caused by the reflection of the sun's rays on suspended ice particles. 258 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,000 Strange or unusual weather tricks not only fool the eye, 259 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:17,000 but such supposedly foolproof mechanical marvels as radar. 260 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:26,000 Temperature inversion, where a massive cold air collides with a layer of warm air. 261 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:31,000 Or even thunder clouds sometimes come up on the radar scope as blips. 262 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,000 One minute you see them, and the next moment you don't. 263 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,000 Even the most experienced radar operator can be fooled by these. 264 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:45,000 We attribute 24.4 percent current UFO sightings to astronomical phenomena. 265 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:52,000 Well, here's another case, Colonel Whedon. The date? August 1955, the place Kentucky. 266 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:59,000 Now, according to press reports, an entire family was besieged all night by goblin-like creatures 267 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,000 reported to have emerged from a flying saucer that landed nearby. 268 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:10,000 Here is a sketch of one of these extraterrestrial visitors drawn by a local artist 269 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,000 and sworn to as accurate by the family. 270 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,000 One of your investigators didn't get a chance to interview him, did he, Colonel? 271 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:21,000 No, unfortunately he didn't seem to be around, Mr. Edwards. 272 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,000 We did interview the family. 273 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,000 They had spent the evening attending a spirited meeting. 274 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,000 They'd all undergone a tremendous emotional experience which, 275 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,000 quite possibly, might account for the incident. 276 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:41,000 I suppose this whole UFO situation is complicated by crackpots, publicity seekers, and hoaxers, is it not? 277 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,000 Oh, it definitely is, Mr. Edwards. 278 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:47,000 One of the roughest areas involves the so-called contact sightings. 279 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,000 People who claim to have spoken to creatures from flying saucers. 280 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,000 Some who claim to have written in them. 281 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,000 And one, at least, who was whooshed off to Venus. 282 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,000 And they're married into Venusian royals. 283 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,000 Oh, what a trip. 284 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,000 A whole cult is drawn up around these contact incidents. 285 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,000 And woe to him who dares to question. 286 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,000 Doesn't the Air Force question, Colonel? 287 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:13,000 Well, we never go on the assumption that anything is a fraud. 288 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,000 We put all material sent to us through the analysis mill. 289 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,000 Cleverness knows no end in this flying saucer business. 290 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,000 Here's a beauty. 291 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,000 Enlargement reveals strange lines coming from the object. 292 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:36,000 And further enlargement shows these lines to be part of the corner ceiling of a room. 293 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,000 The saucer turned out to be a light fixture. 294 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,000 Oh, here's a flying saucer. 295 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,000 It turned out to be a flying hat. 296 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,000 And here's a real fry. 297 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,000 Supposedly a UFO. 298 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,000 Fixed up by a sky science teacher. 299 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,000 Looks very, very formidable. A genuine Sputnik, maybe, Colonel? 300 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,000 Well, afraid not, Mr. Edwards. 301 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:07,000 Whoever made it went through a lot of trouble trying to letter Russian words on the inside, 302 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:15,000 but they got the letters wrong and forgot to remove the name of the New Jersey manufacturer from the tubes. 303 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,000 I see the words there, and the tubes. 304 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,000 There's nothing but a hodgepodge of wires inside. 305 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,000 There are no real circuits. They don't go any place. 306 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:28,000 To finish it off, to give the effect that this thing went through space, I suppose, 307 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,000 they used a blow torch to scorch the sides. 308 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,000 Still a rather neat job for those of us not up on our Sputniks. 309 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:44,000 Well, the important thing with Edward T. is that this type of hoax could be a violation of federal law, 310 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,000 and it is a rather expensive job. 311 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:53,000 A single UFO investigation may well cost the government thousands of dollars. 312 00:27:53,000 --> 00:28:02,000 The perpetrators of these childish pranks might think twice about it when they remember that it's their own tax money that's being wasted. 313 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:09,000 Money that could go into, should go into the serious research so badly needed at this time. 314 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:17,000 In the total picture, Colonel, what percentage of current UFO reports does the Air Force classify as hoaxes? 315 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:25,000 When we lump this category into a general heading, along with sightings that turn out to be birds, search lights, and so on. 316 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,000 They add up to 6.4 percent. 317 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:33,000 And can ATIC solve all UFO reports referred to it? 318 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,000 No. Many sightings come to us with insufficient data. 319 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,000 Fertinent items of information missing. 320 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:45,000 No precise description of size, shape, or color of the object. 321 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:55,000 Without knowing direction and altitude, time and location, wind and weather conditions, we cannot reach a valid conclusion. 322 00:28:55,000 --> 00:29:00,000 The Air Force provides every observer of a UFO with a detailed questionnaire. 323 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,000 The answer is kept in confidence if it is so desired. 324 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:09,000 But we must have full information if a sighting is to get a complete analysis. 325 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:18,000 Sightings that come to us with insufficient information account for 12.1 percent of all current UFO reports. 326 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,000 Colonel, let's do a little arithmetic. 327 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,000 A little rapid calculation here. 328 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:35,000 Adding these percentages, if it comes out right, let's see, it would figure out to 98.1 percent. 329 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,000 Now, that's a large percentage, but it's not 100 percent. 330 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:43,000 That still leaves 1.9 percent. 331 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,000 Still to be explained. 332 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,000 Let 1.9 percent remain. 333 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:55,000 It represents the cases the Air Force classifies as unknown, and this category is different from insufficient information, I take it. 334 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,000 Yes? 335 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,000 In what way, Colonel? 336 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,000 Well, take the child sighting you mentioned earlier. 337 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,000 This case has all the elements we require for investigation. 338 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:11,000 Yet after the most careful study and analysis, we cannot fit it into any of our regular categories. 339 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,000 It doesn't appear to have been a balloon, a plane of any kind. 340 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,000 Nor does it put the circumstances of an astronomical phenomenon. 341 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:25,000 In view of this, that is sufficient data, but no logical explanation. 342 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,000 We classify it as a true unknown. 343 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:33,000 Now, this doesn't happen often, but when it does happen, we don't dodge the issue. 344 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,000 It's an unknown and so listed. 345 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:49,000 Unknown, not because it's anything new and strange, but simply because we can't identify it with the particular normal phenomenon it undoubtedly is. 346 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,000 Not too high a figure. 347 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,000 Little less than 2 percent. 348 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,000 Two out of a hundred. 349 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:02,000 Yet, if even only one in a hundred represented an object of interplanetary origin, 350 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:07,000 we still would have to call this the biggest news of this or any century. 351 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:12,000 What's the opinion of those who believe in flying saucers about that 2 percent? 352 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:18,000 Or for that matter, what about their opinion of the Air Force Analysis Program Project Blue Book? 353 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,000 There's several sides to every story. 354 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,000 You've heard only one. 355 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:35,000 Unknown is defined in the dictionary as not discovered, not identified, not brought to knowledge. 356 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:44,000 After 10 years of investigation and analysis, the Air Force still lists a small percentage of UFO sightings flying saucers as unknown. 357 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:51,000 But to many who have become intensely involved in the puzzle of UFO, this figure seems utterly unrealistic. 358 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:59,000 Of the scores of private, non-government organizations that are devoted to UFO, possibly the most active and eminent, 359 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:04,000 is the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena of Washington, D.C. 360 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,000 On its board of governors are a number of outstanding citizens. 361 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:13,000 Among them are Vice Admiral R.H. Hillencoater, former head of the Central Intelligence Agency, 362 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:22,000 Rear Admiral H.B. Knowles, U.S. Navy retired, Major Dewey Fornay Jr., former Air Force UFO investigator. 363 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:28,000 Its director is Major Donald E. Kehoe, anapolis graduate and a former Marine Corps pilot, 364 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,000 author of Flying Saucers from Outer Space. 365 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:38,000 Well, Major, you've seen our report on the Air Force conclusions dealing with the current UFO sightings. 366 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,000 They've narrowed the unknowns down to 1.9 percent. 367 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,000 How do you feel about that figure? 368 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:49,000 Well, even if you accept that figure, Mr. Edwards, there's one thing you have to remember. 369 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,000 It covers only the last two months of sightings. 370 00:32:52,000 --> 00:33:01,000 Actually, the figure for all unknowns since 1947, using official Air Force statistics, is over 12 percent. 371 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:07,000 Now, that is based on this official Air Force record known as Project Blue Book, 372 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:12,000 and tables which you will find showing various percentages over the years. 373 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:19,000 Out of the 6,000 cases investigated by the Air Force, 700 still remain unknown. 374 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,000 It comes down to this. 375 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:30,000 Either all of the hundreds of skilled observers, that means pilots, missile trackers, radar operators, and astronomers, 376 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:36,000 were either deluded or incompetent, or they saw exactly what they reported. 377 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:41,000 I think everyone will agree that deluded pilots would have been grounded very quickly, 378 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,000 and incominent radar men would have been fired. 379 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,000 Not one such case is on record. 380 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:54,000 Our National Investigations Committee has hundreds of UFO reports from highly trained observers 381 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,000 describing real objects maneuvering under intelligent control. 382 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,000 Real objects under intelligent control, 383 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:06,000 the implication being that they originate in outer space, that's for sure. 384 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:11,000 Well, actually, that is a probability which is shared by many pilots and many scientists, 385 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,000 including, for instance, Professor Herman Oberth, a great rocket designer. 386 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,000 So we must agree that it is a probability. 387 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:25,000 Well, all right. We'd like to hear the evidence on which you base this particular assumption, Major. 388 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:31,000 Fine. And I want to begin by saying that all the cases I intend to cite are known to the Air Force. 389 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:36,000 I also want to point out that our analysts on the committee include astronomers, 390 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:45,000 missile engineers, pilots, radar men, former intelligence officers, and experts in many associated fields. 391 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,000 Now, here is a verified case. 392 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,000 May 1954, Dallas, Texas. 393 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:57,000 A flight of four Marine Corps jets commanded by Major Charles Scarborough, 394 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:05,000 cited in broad daylight a formation of 16 discs flying in groups of four. 395 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:11,000 When the jets tried to box in these discs, they climbed a terrific speed and disappeared. 396 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,000 Here's a quote from Major Scarborough. 397 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,000 These discs were real. They flew at incredible speeds. 398 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,000 Another case. 399 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,000 November 1957, Long Beach, California. 400 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:29,000 Major Lewis F. Baker, commanding officer of the Air Force Weather Station at Long Beach, 401 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:34,000 along with two other Air Force weather experts, and 10 airmen. 402 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:42,000 This group saw a formation of six discs making terrifically fast turns and maneuvering at an altitude of 7,000 feet. 403 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:48,000 They appeared to be larger, according to Major Baker, than a twin-engine airliner. 404 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:53,000 Statements from Major Baker. They were circular in the color of spun aluminum. 405 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,000 They changed course instantaneously. 406 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,000 A case in 1952. 407 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,000 This was from Captain William B. Nash, a veteran airline pilot. 408 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:10,000 He and his co-pilot cited a formation of eight 100-foot discs flying in echelon below their plane. 409 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,000 Captain Nash told me personally, 410 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:19,000 I am convinced these were machines from outer space. 411 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,000 End quote. 412 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:26,000 Our committee agrees with the announcement of the Air Force on this particular case. 413 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,000 Objects unknown. 414 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,000 Let's take another. Another commercial airliner case. 415 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,000 This one, this airliner was flying near South Bend, Indiana. 416 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,000 At the controls was a veteran, Captain Robert Adicus. 417 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:45,000 Adicus is crew and 10 passengers, so a spherical object pacing the plane. 418 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:50,000 When Adicus tried to close in, the UFO accelerated and raced out of sight. 419 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,000 A quote from Captain Adicus. 420 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,000 Before then, I wasn't convinced by the saucer reports. 421 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,000 Now I know they do exist. 422 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,000 Let me show you one more case. 423 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,000 This from an eminent astronomer, Dr. Clyde Tombow. 424 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,000 Discover of the planet Pluto. 425 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:16,000 Dr. Tombow cited a cigar-shaped object with what appeared to be windows and moving at tremendous speed. 426 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:27,000 Now note how similar this object is to the one cited by Captain Charles and Whithitt that you mentioned earlier. 427 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:36,000 Dr. Tombow, these things which do appear to be directed are unlike any other phenomena I ever observed. 428 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:41,000 Other stars in our galaxy may have hundreds of thousands of inhabitable worlds. 429 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:50,000 Races on these worlds may have been able to utilize the tremendous amounts of power required to bridge the space between the stars. 430 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,000 End quote. 431 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:56,000 These cases you've cited, Major, from the files of the National Investigating Committee. 432 00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:01,000 You also have some analyses on some of the cases the Air Force discussed earlier, have you? 433 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:05,000 Yes, we do, and I'd like very much to go into two of them. 434 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,000 First, the Mantell case. 435 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:13,000 A Project Blue Book says that or suggests that Mantell died chasing a skyhook balloon. 436 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:20,000 The Air Force has never provided any record of a balloon being launched on the day Mantell crashed. 437 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:28,000 There is absolutely no record that any Air Force or Navy balloon was launched then from Clinton Air Force Base or any other station. 438 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:34,000 Now, any project in a top secret category must keep detailed, accurate records. 439 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,000 It's not any casual operation. 440 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:41,000 Yet no such report has ever been produced. 441 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,000 And now another point which I believe is conclusive. 442 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:50,000 The Air Force tells us that the balloon hovered over Godwin Field for two hours, almost motionless. 443 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:59,000 Minutes after Mantell's disappearance, one of his wingmen, equipped with oxygen, took off and searched the entire area for 100 miles. 444 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,000 He found absolutely nothing. 445 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,000 Now what happened to the balloon? 446 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:09,000 The searching plane was an F-51, which could fly at 350 miles per hour. 447 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:16,000 Any slowly moving balloon would have been sighted in minutes, but the sky was completely empty. 448 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,000 Now just a word about another case the Air Force presented. 449 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:27,000 This was the airliner which flew between New York and Puerto Rico and which Project Blue Book says, 450 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:33,000 sighted a bow-eyed or fireball, which caused the pilot to zoom to miss it. 451 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:40,000 Now when we investigated, we found that the similar non-explored disagreed entirely with that conclusion. 452 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:48,000 The professional astronomers, the CAB consulted, said there was no evidence that this UFO was a fireball or a meteor. 453 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:56,000 Our committee agrees that this case is an unknown, just like the tragic Mantell incident. 454 00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:03,000 Well now Major, you believe that the massive weight of evidence proves that flying saucers are real? 455 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,000 The committee and I. 456 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,000 We believe that absolutely. 457 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:15,000 We believe that despite the frauds and hopes that have clouded the issue and which we completely disavow and try to disprove, 458 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:20,000 we believe the facts prove that flying saucers actually exist. 459 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:26,000 And of course which puts you on exactly the opposite side of the fence from the Air Force, how do you account for that Major? 460 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,000 Well there are two possibilities Mr. Edwards. 461 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,000 First, an honest difference among analysts. 462 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:44,000 Second, there is an official Air Force policy believed in the best interests of the people, not to confirm the existence of UFOs until all answers are known. 463 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:51,000 It is the belief of our committee, and this belief is substantiated by many scientists and experts in the field, 464 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:56,000 that the public should be given all official information relative to UFOs. 465 00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:03,000 The American people are wise enough to evaluate this material, providing it is presented fully and accurately. 466 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:08,000 The National Investigations Committee hopes that this will be done properly. 467 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:15,000 And now Mr. Edwards, I would like to make a disclosure, something which has never been revealed to the public. 468 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:23,000 For the last six months our committee has been working with the Externet Committee, which is investigating official secrecy on UFOs. 469 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:32,000 If the hearings are held, open hearings, I feel it will prove beyond doubt that the flanks are preserved. 470 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:42,000 In order to confirm the information we need, we suggest that all of the feathers of the committee should be considered right. 471 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,000 Thank you Major Kehoe. 472 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:50,000 One of the most eminent men of science who has taken a deep interest in the problem of UFO is Professor Donald H. Menzel, 473 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:59,000 Professor of Astrophysics and Director of the Observatory at Harvard University and author of Flying Saucers published by the Harvard University Press. 474 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:07,000 Professor Menzel, in your considered opinion, has our atmosphere been invaded by spaceships, flying objects originating in outer space? 475 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,000 No, emphatically no. 476 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,000 Now I don't quarrel with the assumption that there is life on other planets. 477 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:22,000 As I have stated on a number of occasions, life, even human or superhuman life, may exist in millions of places in the universe. 478 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,000 And I also concede that space travel for earthlings is imminent. 479 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:33,000 But these two facts can't justify the conclusion that flying saucers represent space travel in reverse. 480 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:40,000 And yet tonight we've heard a good bit of evidence that UFO unidentified flying objects do exist, Professor. 481 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:47,000 They are unidentified flying objects only because of mistaken identity. In fact, they're often not even objects. 482 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:56,000 That is why I prefer the name flying saucer to the term unidentified flying objects, which implies that they are material or tangible. 483 00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:03,000 The observations, and most particularly the interpretation of these observations, is strictly a scientific matter. 484 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,000 You wouldn't call in a carpenter to diagnose a pain in your stomach. 485 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:13,000 Well, why call in untrained laymen when you want to diagnose a strange occurrence in the sky? 486 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,000 And strange things do occur, all the time. 487 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:22,000 I think Project Blue Book hasn't paid enough attention to aerial phenomena in its analysis work. 488 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:32,000 Merages, ice crystal reflections, even cloud formations such as this one, these can undo account for many UFO reports. 489 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:44,000 It's understandable that untrained observers are startled when they see unusual occurrences in the sky. 490 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:49,000 It even happens to many of us who have studied the heavens for years. It happened to me. 491 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:55,000 Let me give you the bare details. Just three years ago when I was flying from the North Pole to Alaska, 492 00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:00,000 I saw an object pop over the horizon and buzzed my plane twice. 493 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:06,000 Then it stopped and flew along parallel to it, at an apparent distance of 300 feet. 494 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:14,000 I judged it to be about two feet in diameter. It seemed to have flashing red and green lights and something looked like a lighted propeller on the top. 495 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,000 Did you ever find out what it was? 496 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:22,000 Certainly, as soon as I got over the initial shock, I did a little calm analyzing. 497 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:27,000 The mysterious saucer proved to be a mirage of the bright star Sirius. 498 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,000 Actually, the star was slightly below the horizon. 499 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:36,000 But the queer bending of light by the atmosphere, called refraction, had brought it into view. 500 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:42,000 Distortion and diffusion caused by alternate layers of warm and cold air had added the finishing touches, 501 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:47,000 creating a bizarre pulsating whirling effect similar to the twinkling of a star. 502 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:53,000 That was the answer to my saucer and to a lot of other people's saucers I'd like to bet. 503 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,000 And I've seen hundreds of other saucers from dozens of causes. 504 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:02,000 For instance, high-flying spider webs, owls that glow in the dark. 505 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:07,000 In other words, Professor, if more people were astronomers, there'd be fewer flying saucers. 506 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:13,000 Fewer flying saucers and a lot less declauding of the issue by over-eager amateurs. 507 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:20,000 Earlier in the program, you mentioned the reported sighting of a bridge on the Maura Cresium region of the moon. 508 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,000 Now, that's my special field. 509 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:28,000 I'm now preparing some new lunar maps for a field guide to the skies that will soon be published. 510 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:34,000 The first man who reported that bridge, an amateur, used only a four-inch telescope. 511 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,000 Now, that's like using a BB gun in an elephant hunt. 512 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:44,000 I've examined that area with the Harvard 15-inch telescope, and there is no bridge there. 513 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:51,000 Here's a photograph of the Maura Cresium region taken with the 12-inch telescope at Griffith Observatory. 514 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:58,000 An untrained observer might possibly interpret this fan of light as coming from under a bridge. 515 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:04,000 Actually, it is light shining through a well-known deep pass bordered by high peaks. 516 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,000 No bridge exists. 517 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:15,000 This only emphasizes the importance of careful observation by experienced people who are capable of evaluating what they see. 518 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:20,000 Well, let's agree that astronomers are best equipped to evaluate aerial phenomena. 519 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:28,000 But wouldn't you agree that pilots, meteorologists, are also trained observers, and many of them have reported UFOs? 520 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,000 No, they're not trained observers in this sense. 521 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,000 A pilot can observe a plane and know what it is. 522 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:44,000 A meteorologist can spot a cloud and not be fooled, but many things occur in the sky that are completely beyond the knowledge or experience of many pilots or weathermen. 523 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:55,000 Mirages, moxons, caused by the reflection from ice crystals, they're fairly uncommon, but when they do happen, only trained scientists can recognize them and understand them. 524 00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:07,000 If a pilot swerves his plane to avoid a fireball that misses him by hundreds of miles, or if he fails to identify a sun dog, that doesn't mean he's incompetent as a flyer. 525 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:13,000 I think Mantell didn't die chasing a balloon, nor I do. I think he died chasing a spaceship. 526 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:21,000 I believe he mistook some sort of aerial phenomenon, a moxon perhaps for a flying saucer. 527 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:29,000 I believe he mistook some sort of aerial phenomenon, a moxon perhaps for a flying saucer, one that's too high and crashed. 528 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:37,000 Well, summing up then, Professor, you feel that all the flying saucers reported in the past ten and a half years, even before that, 529 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:46,000 including the 1.9% of the Air Force classifies as unknown, can be explained then as completely natural occurrence. 530 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:52,000 I most certainly do. And I think the Air Force has been put upon in this whole affair. 531 00:47:52,000 --> 00:48:00,000 They've had to make their investigation, of course. They're bound by the most serious of considerations, the security of our country. But it's gone far enough. 532 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:11,000 In my opinion, it's not the reports of the flying saucers that should be analyzed. It's the non-qualified interpreters themselves who argue that these saucers come from outer space. 533 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:18,000 Thank you, Dr. Mantell. We've given the facts, we've had the opinions. What about our own conclusions? 534 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:27,000 Well, for thousands of years, man has been studying his own body, and yet today, he can only explain about 25% of bodily functions. 535 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:36,000 It's only 350 years since Galileo invented the telescope. Certainly, there must be much in the heavens left to be explained. 536 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:45,000 Perhaps in time, the enigma of the skies, flying saucers, will be explained to the satisfaction of all. 537 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:52,000 This evening, we've given you the facts as we've found them. We leave them with you. What do you think? 538 00:48:52,000 --> 00:49:10,000 In just a few moments, the Honorable Richard E. Horner, Assistant Secretary of the Air Force for Research and Development, will bring you a summary of the Air Force's position and the report by a special scientific panel. 539 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:18,000 Now, the Honorable Richard E. Horner, Assistant Secretary of the Air Force for Research and Development. 540 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:32,000 Thank you, Mr. Edwards. During recent years, there has been a mistaken belief that the Air Force has been hiding from the public information concerning unidentified flying objects. 541 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:40,000 Nothing could be further from the truth. And I do not qualify this statement in any way. 542 00:49:40,000 --> 00:50:01,000 The activities of the International Geophysical Year, which is serving to focus more trained eyes on the skies than ever before, climaxes 10 years of Air Force investigation of UFO sightings. 543 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:12,000 All but a small percentage of these reports have been definitely attributed to natural phenomena that are neither mysterious nor dire. 544 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:30,000 A report of a special scientific panel on UFOs assembled at the request of the United States government concludes that the evidence shows no indication that these phenomena constitute a direct physical threat to national security. 545 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:44,000 They find no evidence that UFOs are capable of hostile acts. They find no evidence that UFOs indicate a need for revision of current scientific concepts. 546 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:53,000 And finally, they recommend that the subject be stripped of the aura of mystery it has unfortunately acquired. 547 00:50:54,000 --> 00:51:09,000 The panel's findings coincide completely with the announced position of the Air Force. There is no evidence at hand that objects popularly known as flying saucers actually exist. 548 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:18,000 Not a single speck of material evidence, not a fragment of a flying saucer has ever been found. 549 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:26,000 This does not mean that the Air Force can or will be complacent about UFO reports. 550 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:46,000 We will continue our program of detailed investigation of all UFO sightings and invite everyone who observes an object in the sky he sincerely cannot identify or explain to report it immediately to the nearest Air Force activity. 551 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,000 Thank you and good night.